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Analysis of the results against the SMS –
!, 2, 6 were supposed to be elected but 6 did not make it
and 5 make it for the Warden.
The Secretary and Treasurer as proposed were elected with
the incumbent treasurer lost by 9 votes.
For the PCC members:-
1,2,7, [9],11, [12] ,14,15,18, [19] were listed in the SMS. [ ]
= not elected.
Incumbent Dorothy Chin (12) was defeated and number Ian Ma (9) did not
make it while Hazel (1 ) Liew (2,) Ng (7), Foo (11), Ku (14), Ho (15), Timmie (18),
were elected. 7 out of 10 in the list
were elected.
The incumbent were elected 1,7, 14,15, 18 and who are the
seat warmers?
The new faces are likely on the list as 19, 9 were not elected.
3 new faces elected to PCC.
So the other new face is Foo (11) in the SMS list.
Who is this new face - Vun Ket Cheng (5) not in the SMS ?,
So the new face is Fabian Lai (8) not in the SMS list.
Despite the cheating or rigging with unfair advantage, the
anti Reform team has nothing to shout about as
an incumbent and two new faces in SMS list failed.
By the way, were all candidates present in ASC and
introduced to the congregations at the briefing by the Dean before the polling?
Strictly if any of the candidates were not present, they
would be disqualified as in previous elections.
The Reformer team is NOT wiped out like Christ Church.
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PrayingforADOS,
I think it is that important when elections could be held. I think with such a big number of more than one thousand members including foreigners, the polling could have been done on Saturday and the result not declared until after the AGM is done towards the end.
It was really messy on Sunday as the announcement first time missed out the AGM and Polling process.
According to the Rev Sim, it was 1pm for registration at the glory centre and that was not to be.
Then the polling was announced to be at 2-4pm but again it was after 3pm that the polling was started.
The worst part is the AGM Agenda was at 2pm meaning the AGM proper with the Reports at the Cathedral but that was not to be until past 4.30pm waiting for the voters to come in despite got the quorum for AGM.
The other unthinkable part in the AGENDA is the dissolution of the PCC before polling started but before the AGM proper when the PCC should deal with all the reports. This is all wrong and yet the Chairman said it was agreed at the PCC meetings when the seat warmers should know that it was wrong.
Then the Chancellor was of another kind to go along with the Dean and PCC, and subsequently reversed back to the incumbent PCC at work for the Reports.
Can we believe all these things are to frustrate members with time wasting because the PCC fear Q&A ?
Strictly speaking, AGM is again illegal when the PCC was also illegal.
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Can anyone tell us how many more voters were added to the rolls since it was exhibit on 3rd March or earlier.
I was told my own number in the roll was changing after the first set of roll when I went to the office on 18th March, 2013.
So need to check who are really on the rolls including foreigners?
As some would say, we will lose out the burial ground to the non “ASC” members who happen to be on the
rolls.
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PrayingforADOS,
I think it is that important when elections could be held. I think with such a big number of more than one thousand members including foreigners, the polling could have been done on Saturday and the result not declared until after the AGM is done towards the end.
It was really messy on Sunday as the announcement first time missed out the AGM and Polling process.
According to the Rev Sim, it was 1pm for registration at the glory centre and that was not to be.
Then the polling was announced to be at 2-4pm but again it was after 3pm that the polling was started.
The worst part is the AGM Agenda was at 2pm meaning the AGM proper with the Reports at the Cathedral but that was not to be until past 4.30pm waiting for the voters to come in despite got the quorum for AGM.
The other unthinkable part in the AGENDA is the dissolution of the PCC before polling started but before the AGM proper when the PCC should deal with all the reports. This is all wrong and yet the Chairman said it was agreed at the PCC meetings when the seat warmers should know that it was wrong.
Then the Chancellor was of another kind to go along with the Dean and PCC, and subsequently reversed back to the incumbent PCC at work for the Reports.
Can we believe all these things are to frustrate members with time wasting because the PCC fear Q&A ?
Strictly speaking, AGM is again illegal when the PCC was also illegal.
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Can anyone tell us how many more voters were added to the rolls since it was exhibit on 3rd March or earlier.
I was told my own number in the roll was changing after the first set of roll when I went to the office on 18th March, 2013.
So need to check who are really on the rolls including foreigners?
As some would say, we will lose out the burial ground to the non “ASC” members who happen to be on the
rolls.
Did anyone check the changing rolls? All new members must be approved by the Dean when the Dean is new and so who know the new members to be registered for the Roll especially when the Dean was away much of March until 21 March, 2013?
Charlie,
The election process was only partial transparent.
What about the Roll with new members added in the last two weeks?
Why no mention of the SMS sent out to belittle the socalled winners?
Was the very close losers recounted?
I still don't know how the individual votes can be traced except they can trace how the
three congregations voted in total and separately if they want to analysed them.
I don't know why they want to check they have voted unless there were bribes involved?
many more questions to be asked.
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Dear Charlie,
The Constitution of ASC was amended in 1996 when there were already three congregations.
The Constitutions of ASC and ADOS are so brief and so many things are silent like submissions of motions.
There is no clause to say that PCC can reject any motions submitted and only the AGM can defeat or approve the motions submitted.
The amended Constitution of 1996 was a ONE way traffic from the Bishop.
So today after the crisis - BISHOPGATE - we go through, we need a comprehensive review of the two Constitutions to make them very clear on many issues.
One of the major issues is that foreigners should not vote but can be associate members of ADOS/ASC.
Are you coming with me to see the Dean and the PCC possibly next week?
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http://thetruthasc.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/3-laughable-resolutions/
September 2, 2012
3 Laughable Resolutions
While winding up the Synod, Rev. Kenneth Thien tabled 3 resolutions. The move was controversial because the Diocesan constitution stipulated any resolutions must be published in the Synod agenda, at least 6 weeks before the Synod. This is to provide all the churches adequate time discuss, study and weigh the issues. I’m puzzled how our learned Chancellor missed that. Not only the Synod was unconstitutional, the 3 resolutions were laughable. Please read on
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The election process was only partial transparent.
What about the Roll with new members added in the last two weeks?
Why no mention of the SMS sent out to belittle the socalled winners?
Was the very close losers recounted?
I still don't know how the individual votes can be traced except they can trace how the
three congregations voted in total and separately if they want to analysed them.
I don't know why they want to check they have voted unless there were bribes involved?
many more questions to be asked.
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Dear Charlie,
The Constitution of ASC was amended in 1996 when there were already three congregations.
The Constitutions of ASC and ADOS are so brief and so many things are silent like submissions of motions.
There is no clause to say that PCC can reject any motions submitted and only the AGM can defeat or approve the motions submitted.
The amended Constitution of 1996 was a ONE way traffic from the Bishop.
So today after the crisis - BISHOPGATE - we go through, we need a comprehensive review of the two Constitutions to make them very clear on many issues.
One of the major issues is that foreigners should not vote but can be associate members of ADOS/ASC.
Are you coming with me to see the Dean and the PCC possibly next week?
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http://thetruthasc.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/3-laughable-resolutions/
September 2, 2012
3 Laughable Resolutions
While winding up the Synod, Rev. Kenneth Thien tabled 3 resolutions. The move was controversial because the Diocesan constitution stipulated any resolutions must be published in the Synod agenda, at least 6 weeks before the Synod. This is to provide all the churches adequate time discuss, study and weigh the issues. I’m puzzled how our learned Chancellor missed that. Not only the Synod was unconstitutional, the 3 resolutions were laughable. Please read on
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The election process by Dean Chak was obvious slightly modelled on the EC.
ReplyDeleteLike the EC model also loaded with hidden agenda, ASC model was modified without any explanations for certain facits of the election process.
There are some issues still need to be resolved and fine tuned.
I would like to ask this question why the three congregation English, Chinese and others including BM are given ballot papers from different batch?
What happen now to the ballot papers?
For those very votes, were there any recounts?
For those very CLOSE votes, were there any recounts?
ReplyDeleteWe need the following for the PCC Polls-
ReplyDeleteA full report from the Chairman of the polls.
The full results of all the candidates;
Where the results are close, several recounts must have being carried out.
Also please explain why ballot papers ran out and new set of ballot papers
were made available later. This gives the impression of rigging as the PCC knows
how many members in ASC. So who had hijacked those ballot papers to be stuffed into the
ballot boxes or counting later.
If the recounts were done, we want to know the results of each recounts for those close contests.
All these must be clear before the results are credible.
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ReplyDeleteCurios30 March 2013 12:58
Rev.Chak order PCC for meet up 3 days after he go holiday. It was suggest baptism card also can be used like identity card of the candidate.
The PCC says they disagree the use of baptism card but on the day to vote Rev. Chak still announce the use of baptism card is ok.
We saw Mr. Wilson Rantau bring the BM people with baptism cards, passed the queue into the hall. What is that mean? Not confirmed members also in the electoral? Anything pun "boleh"bah with BAV's always want to win. BAv doesn't change yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Anybody know what happened when ballot paper is reproduced half way voting? Why ? and how? I think this is planned. Only the priest and pastors know.
Quote "Anybody know what happened when ballot paper is reproduced half way voting? Why ? and how? I think this is planned. Only the priest and pastors know."
That is simply RIGGING by the trojan horse to make sure the REFORM team is wiped out.
Obvious the ballot papers ran out and someone had hijacked those papers to be marked and then stash into the ballot boxes or simply included in the count.